Approved Log TRT and SARMS Cardarine gw Cycle Log

[Gio777]

Hi all.
59yr male. First time posting. Looking to start an 8 week cycle. Have been doing low dose Dr prescribed trt for about 5 years. Dose is 1 ml test cypionate per week. Noticeable difference for me with it. Fairly active and athletic all my life until past 10 months due to injury, separated shoulder, and just life. My workouts vary but usually involve a 1 mile run for a warm up followed by weights about 4 days/week with some HIIT training as well as playing squash 1 or 2 times a week which gives me a great calorie burn in about an hr-close to 1000, plus it’s fun. Enjoy tabata workouts doing usually 6-7 rounds which incorporates weights and body weight exercises, burpees, push-ups etc.
6’ tall. 207lb - about 15 lbs heavier than normal for me. My goal is to get back to around 190.
Diet will be restricted to a daily deficit of about 1500-2000 day since my goal will be mainly to trim and tone/harden up. My protein intake will be around 260 grams per day with the remainder being low calorie veggies and good fats to help me feel full. Water intake will be around 2-3 litre.
I’ve done it before and was very pleased with the results. Body fat went fairly low for me. I was just using a home body fat scale so not sure how accurate but was saying I dropped to about 10%-11% and a times was under 10% but seemed rare and not sustained for me.
Now looking to add Cardarine/GW to help with the fat burning, also just started taking Berberine, 750mg 2x day. Have also been considering upping my test but not all that much. I’m worried about prostate and liver. With that being said looking to add Tudca when starting GW. Want to do things very cautiously so any help and advice here would be appreciated. Also note that I’m a cancer survivor, 20 yrs ago, so I want to be extra cautious.
Hope that covers everything. Since this is my first time posting or even logging please feel free to tell me if anything needs to be added or changed.
Thanks in advance.

 

[BigPapaPumpCA]

Hi all.
59yr male. First time posting. Looking to start an 8 week cycle. Have been doing low dose Dr prescribed trt for about 5 years. Dose is 1 ml test cypionate per week. Noticeable difference for me with it. Fairly active and athletic all my life until past 10 months due to injury, separated shoulder, and just life. My workouts vary but usually involve a 1 mile run for a warm up followed by weights about 4 days/week with some HIIT training as well as playing squash 1 or 2 times a week which gives me a great calorie burn in about an hr-close to 1000, plus it’s fun. Enjoy tabata workouts doing usually 6-7 rounds which incorporates weights and body weight exercises, burpees, push-ups etc.
6’ tall. 207lb - about 15 lbs heavier than normal for me. My goal is to get back to around 190.
Diet will be restricted to a daily deficit of about 1500-2000 day since my goal will be mainly to trim and tone/harden up. My protein intake will be around 260 grams per day with the remainder being low calorie veggies and good fats to help me feel full. Water intake will be around 2-3 litre.
I’ve done it before and was very pleased with the results. Body fat went fairly low for me. I was just using a home body fat scale so not sure how accurate but was saying I dropped to about 10%-11% and a times was under 10% but seemed rare and not sustained for me.
Now looking to add Cardarine/GW to help with the fat burning, also just started taking Berberine, 750mg 2x day. Have also been considering upping my test but not all that much. I’m worried about prostate and liver. With that being said looking to add Tudca when starting GW. Want to do things very cautiously so any help and advice here would be appreciated. Also note that I’m a cancer survivor, 20 yrs ago, so I want to be extra cautious.
Hope that covers everything. Since this is my first time posting or even logging please feel free to tell me if anything needs to be added or changed.
Thanks in advance.

@Gio777 we welcome you to the MESO family bro thanks for sharing

I like your plan but to start off, can you share a picture of you face blurred so we can see your base please?

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

pictures
please share pictures of you face blurred (every 1-2 weeks)
pics of your meals as you go
pics of your training as you go
pics of your supps
pics of your gear

eBooks
download our eBooks and learn more about cycling:

https://irongorillas.com

Podcast
are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:

Podcasts

Podcasts

www.evolutionary.org

thank you and share more

 

[Stevesmi]

Hi all.
59yr male. First time posting. Looking to start an 8 week cycle. Have been doing low dose Dr prescribed trt for about 5 years. Dose is 1 ml test cypionate per week. Noticeable difference for me with it. Fairly active and athletic all my life until past 10 months due to injury, separated shoulder, and just life. My workouts vary but usually involve a 1 mile run for a warm up followed by weights about 4 days/week with some HIIT training as well as playing squash 1 or 2 times a week which gives me a great calorie burn in about an hr-close to 1000, plus it’s fun. Enjoy tabata workouts doing usually 6-7 rounds which incorporates weights and body weight exercises, burpees, push-ups etc.
6’ tall. 207lb - about 15 lbs heavier than normal for me. My goal is to get back to around 190.
Diet will be restricted to a daily deficit of about 1500-2000 day since my goal will be mainly to trim and tone/harden up. My protein intake will be around 260 grams per day with the remainder being low calorie veggies and good fats to help me feel full. Water intake will be around 2-3 litre.
I’ve done it before and was very pleased with the results. Body fat went fairly low for me. I was just using a home body fat scale so not sure how accurate but was saying I dropped to about 10%-11% and a times was under 10% but seemed rare and not sustained for me.
Now looking to add Cardarine/GW to help with the fat burning, also just started taking Berberine, 750mg 2x day. Have also been considering upping my test but not all that much. I’m worried about prostate and liver. With that being said looking to add Tudca when starting GW. Want to do things very cautiously so any help and advice here would be appreciated. Also note that I’m a cancer survivor, 20 yrs ago, so I want to be extra cautious.
Hope that covers everything. Since this is my first time posting or even logging please feel free to tell me if anything needs to be added or changed.
Thanks in advance.

@Gio777 nice to see you putting this one up man. tell us more about your cancer situation. i'm glad you survived it okay !

 

[BodyMonster34]

Hi all.
59yr male. First time posting. Looking to start an 8 week cycle. Have been doing low dose Dr prescribed trt for about 5 years. Dose is 1 ml test cypionate per week. Noticeable difference for me with it. Fairly active and athletic all my life until past 10 months due to injury, separated shoulder, and just life. My workouts vary but usually involve a 1 mile run for a warm up followed by weights about 4 days/week with some HIIT training as well as playing squash 1 or 2 times a week which gives me a great calorie burn in about an hr-close to 1000, plus it’s fun. Enjoy tabata workouts doing usually 6-7 rounds which incorporates weights and body weight exercises, burpees, push-ups etc.
6’ tall. 207lb - about 15 lbs heavier than normal for me. My goal is to get back to around 190.
Diet will be restricted to a daily deficit of about 1500-2000 day since my goal will be mainly to trim and tone/harden up. My protein intake will be around 260 grams per day with the remainder being low calorie veggies and good fats to help me feel full. Water intake will be around 2-3 litre.
I’ve done it before and was very pleased with the results. Body fat went fairly low for me. I was just using a home body fat scale so not sure how accurate but was saying I dropped to about 10%-11% and a times was under 10% but seemed rare and not sustained for me.
Now looking to add Cardarine/GW to help with the fat burning, also just started taking Berberine, 750mg 2x day. Have also been considering upping my test but not all that much. I’m worried about prostate and liver. With that being said looking to add Tudca when starting GW. Want to do things very cautiously so any help and advice here would be appreciated. Also note that I’m a cancer survivor, 20 yrs ago, so I want to be extra cautious.
Hope that covers everything. Since this is my first time posting or even logging please feel free to tell me if anything needs to be added or changed.
Thanks in advance.

@Gio777 bro you sound like you got a nice prison physique to me. you should post up your training and pics. let see!

 

[Gio777]

@Gio777 nice to see you putting this one up man. tell us more about your cancer situation. i'm glad you survived it okay !

Thank you and my cancer was 20 yrs ago. Tongue and lymph in neck. I was fit, non smoker, social drinker. Treatments were tough, that's why I'm being so cautious. Don't want a repeat. lol.

 

[Gio777]

@Gio777 we welcome you to the MESO family bro thanks for sharing

I like your plan but to start off, can you share a picture of you face blurred so we can see your base please?

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

pictures
please share pictures of you face blurred (every 1-2 weeks)
pics of your meals as you go
pics of your training as you go
pics of your supps
pics of your gear

eBooks
download our eBooks and learn more about cycling:

https://irongorillas.com

Podcast
are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:

Podcasts

Podcasts

www.evolutionary.org

thank you and share more

Thanks for all the info and advice. Greatly appreciated. My training and diet this upcoming week is going to be all over the place. I'm going to be on the road quite a bit helping both my kids out. Going to be a bit hectic since I won't be home.

So won't be starting seriously till following week. Will say this morning that played squash for an hr and a half then walked 5 km with wife. More cardio than anything.

Pics to come. Dreading posting pics due to how bad I look now. Like I mentioned earlier, since I found out about my wife's diagnosis I was in a bad place.and that was on top of my shoulder injury. I just didn't give a shit anymore. Just started eating and drinking at night, a lot, too much. So I gained weight and I'm pretty embarrassed of how I beat my body up. I now look and feel like shit. Big difference from how I was 2 yrs ago which was in the best shape of my life. I want that again.
My wife was the one that stepped in to ask what the hell I was doing. Reminded me that we still have a couple kids and family that rely on us. As usual, she was right. lol. She is like a damn GI Jane. 58, stage 4 cancer and crushing Caroline Girvan workouts, look em up - the lady is a machine, that most 20 yr olds couldn't finish. Push-up and pull ups galore plus weights (reduced now due to her bone cancer, but not much). So I looked at her doing them and now that my shoulder is better I just said enough is enough, get your fat ass in gear. So here I am.

As for supplements, will list below:
These are daily.
Mag malate. 100mg
Glycine 1500mg.
Co Q10. 100mg
Niacin. 500mg.
NAC. 600mg
Test cypionate. 1 ml week.
Folic acid. 400mcg
K2 D3. 1000IU
B12. 1200mcg
Zinc 25mg
Berberine. 1500mg.
Originally was considering Ostarine and GW to add to Test, but seems like most people advised that GW alone would be best. Also will be ordering Tudca to protect liver once I start. I would consider upping my Test dosage but will do so cautiously. Remember my goal is safe and I don't mind slowly. I want lean and hard to be the goal.

So at this point unsure of what Canadian supplier and what dosage will be safe but effective. I know Umbrella has been mentioned numerous times before but if I don't have to go over border to get them I would like to buy from within Canada. Will order this week and hopefully receive so I can start into it following week.
Most of these supplements are for general health and not really towards my fitness goals but just thought would mention them.

You mention psyllium husk, what does that do?

Pics of both me and home gym to follow.

 

[Gio777]

@Gio777 bro you sound like you got a nice prison physique to me. you should post up your training and pics. let see!

Thanks. I like that term prison physique, but at this stage I look more like a guy that just got into prison for corporate tax evasion. lol. Give me 8 weeks and that's the look I'm going for. Pics to come!

 

[Mobster]

Hi all.
59yr male. First time posting. Looking to start an 8 week cycle. Have been doing low dose Dr prescribed trt for about 5 years. Dose is 1 ml test cypionate per week. Noticeable difference for me with it. Fairly active and athletic all my life until past 10 months due to injury, separated shoulder, and just life. My workouts vary but usually involve a 1 mile run for a warm up followed by weights about 4 days/week with some HIIT training as well as playing squash 1 or 2 times a week which gives me a great calorie burn in about an hr-close to 1000, plus it’s fun. Enjoy tabata workouts doing usually 6-7 rounds which incorporates weights and body weight exercises, burpees, push-ups etc.
6’ tall. 207lb - about 15 lbs heavier than normal for me. My goal is to get back to around 190.
Diet will be restricted to a daily deficit of about 1500-2000 day since my goal will be mainly to trim and tone/harden up. My protein intake will be around 260 grams per day with the remainder being low calorie veggies and good fats to help me feel full. Water intake will be around 2-3 litre.
I’ve done it before and was very pleased with the results. Body fat went fairly low for me. I was just using a home body fat scale so not sure how accurate but was saying I dropped to about 10%-11% and a times was under 10% but seemed rare and not sustained for me.
Now looking to add Cardarine/GW to help with the fat burning, also just started taking Berberine, 750mg 2x day. Have also been considering upping my test but not all that much. I’m worried about prostate and liver. With that being said looking to add Tudca when starting GW. Want to do things very cautiously so any help and advice here would be appreciated. Also note that I’m a cancer survivor, 20 yrs ago, so I want to be extra cautious.
Hope that covers everything. Since this is my first time posting or even logging please feel free to tell me if anything needs to be added or changed.
Thanks in advance.

Which is what mgs per ml?

 

[BigPapaPumpCA]

Thanks. I like that term prison physique, but at this stage I look more like a guy that just got into prison for corporate tax evasion. lol. Give me 8 weeks and that's the look I'm going for. Pics to come!

post what you got now dont worry MESO is a NO judgement zone, we are here to help not judge, just blur out your face and post up your base so we can understand @Gio777

 

[BigPapaPumpCA]

Thanks for all the info and advice. Greatly appreciated. My training and diet this upcoming week is going to be all over the place. I'm going to be on the road quite a bit helping both my kids out. Going to be a bit hectic since I won't be home.

So won't be starting seriously till following week. Will say this morning that played squash for an hr and a half then walked 5 km with wife. More cardio than anything.

Pics to come. Dreading posting pics due to how bad I look now. Like I mentioned earlier, since I found out about my wife's diagnosis I was in a bad place.and that was on top of my shoulder injury. I just didn't give a shit anymore. Just started eating and drinking at night, a lot, too much. So I gained weight and I'm pretty embarrassed of how I beat my body up. I now look and feel like shit. Big difference from how I was 2 yrs ago which was in the best shape of my life. I want that again.
My wife was the one that stepped in to ask what the hell I was doing. Reminded me that we still have a couple kids and family that rely on us. As usual, she was right. lol. She is like a damn GI Jane. 58, stage 4 cancer and crushing Caroline Girvan workouts, look em up - the lady is a machine, that most 20 yr olds couldn't finish. Push-up and pull ups galore plus weights (reduced now due to her bone cancer, but not much). So I looked at her doing them and now that my shoulder is better I just said enough is enough, get your fat ass in gear. So here I am.

As for supplements, will list below:
These are daily.
Mag malate. 100mg
Glycine 1500mg.
Co Q10. 100mg
Niacin. 500mg.
NAC. 600mg
Test cypionate. 1 ml week.
Folic acid. 400mcg
K2 D3. 1000IU
B12. 1200mcg
Zinc 25mg
Berberine. 1500mg.
Originally was considering Ostarine and GW to add to Test, but seems like most people advised that GW alone would be best. Also will be ordering Tudca to protect liver once I start. I would consider upping my Test dosage but will do so cautiously. Remember my goal is safe and I don't mind slowly. I want lean and hard to be the goal.

So at this point unsure of what Canadian supplier and what dosage will be safe but effective. I know Umbrella has been mentioned numerous times before but if I don't have to go over border to get them I would like to buy from within Canada. Will order this week and hopefully receive so I can start into it following week.
Most of these supplements are for general health and not really towards my fitness goals but just thought would mention them.

You mention psyllium husk, what does that do?

Pics of both me and home gym to follow.

@Gio777 to use the proper sarms stack cardarine is best with your testosterone, whats your test dose now?

Canadian suppliers? did you check our Canadian sub on EVO?

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/canada-approved-sources.254/

On tudca, dont get tudca alone, get n2guard for organ liver support, its a supplement for cycle support

N2Guard

n2guard.com

N2GUARD™ - Needtobuildmuscle.com - N2BM USA

N2GUARD IS BACK IN STOCK! The MOTHER LOAD of all Daily supplements! You've seen them out there - the so called "all-in-one" daily products that claim to be all you need for your Bodybuilding lifestyle, pixie dust products filled with a pinch of everything that amount to a whole lot of nothing...

www.needtobuildmuscle.com

 

[ceo]

Thank you and my cancer was 20 yrs ago. Tongue and lymph in neck. I was fit, non smoker, social drinker. Treatments were tough, that's why I'm being so cautious. Don't want a repeat. lol.

@Gio777 bros sometimes can be just bad luck. good thing they caught it. knew someone had same thing but doctors ignored it too long said it was nothing

 

[Gio777]

Which is what mgs per ml?

It's 100mg. Very low dose.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Hi all.
59yr male. First time posting. Looking to start an 8 week cycle. Have been doing low dose Dr prescribed trt for about 5 years. Dose is 1 ml test cypionate per week. Noticeable difference for me with it. Fairly active and athletic all my life until past 10 months due to injury, separated shoulder, and just life. My workouts vary but usually involve a 1 mile run for a warm up followed by weights about 4 days/week with some HIIT training as well as playing squash 1 or 2 times a week which gives me a great calorie burn in about an hr-close to 1000, plus it’s fun. Enjoy tabata workouts doing usually 6-7 rounds which incorporates weights and body weight exercises, burpees, push-ups etc.
6’ tall. 207lb - about 15 lbs heavier than normal for me. My goal is to get back to around 190.
Diet will be restricted to a daily deficit of about 1500-2000 day since my goal will be mainly to trim and tone/harden up. My protein intake will be around 260 grams per day with the remainder being low calorie veggies and good fats to help me feel full. Water intake will be around 2-3 litre.
I’ve done it before and was very pleased with the results. Body fat went fairly low for me. I was just using a home body fat scale so not sure how accurate but was saying I dropped to about 10%-11% and a times was under 10% but seemed rare and not sustained for me.
Now looking to add Cardarine/GW to help with the fat burning, also just started taking Berberine, 750mg 2x day. Have also been considering upping my test but not all that much. I’m worried about prostate and liver. With that being said looking to add Tudca when starting GW. Want to do things very cautiously so any help and advice here would be appreciated. Also note that I’m a cancer survivor, 20 yrs ago, so I want to be extra cautious.
Hope that covers everything. Since this is my first time posting or even logging please feel free to tell me if anything needs to be added or changed.
Thanks in advance.

@Gio777 It seems like you have a new lease on life.
I can't believe you were so young when you had cancer, it just shows that it can happen to anybody.

 

[Gio777]

Which is what mgs per ml?

It's 100mg. Very low do

@Gio777 to use the proper sarms stack cardarine is best with your testosterone, whats your test dose now?

Canadian suppliers? did you check our Canadian sub on EVO?

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/canada-approved-sources.254/

On tudca, dont get tudca alone, get n2guard for organ liver support, its a supplement for cycle support

N2Guard

n2guard.com

N2GUARD™ - Needtobuildmuscle.com - N2BM USA

N2GUARD IS BACK IN STOCK! The MOTHER LOAD of all Daily supplements! You've seen them out there - the so called "all-in-one" daily products that claim to be all you need for your Bodybuilding lifestyle, pixie dust products filled with a pinch of everything that amount to a whole lot of nothing...

www.needtobuildmuscle.com

Thanks for info. Dose is low at 1ml or 100mg week.

 

[Ulter]

Hi all.
59yr male. First time posting. Looking to start an 8 week cycle. Have been doing low dose Dr prescribed trt for about 5 years. Dose is 1 ml test cypionate per week. Noticeable difference for me with it. Fairly active and athletic all my life until past 10 months due to injury, separated shoulder, and just life. My workouts vary but usually involve a 1 mile run for a warm up followed by weights about 4 days/week with some HIIT training as well as playing squash 1 or 2 times a week which gives me a great calorie burn in about an hr-close to 1000, plus it’s fun. Enjoy tabata workouts doing usually 6-7 rounds which incorporates weights and body weight exercises, burpees, push-ups etc.
6’ tall. 207lb - about 15 lbs heavier than normal for me. My goal is to get back to around 190.
Diet will be restricted to a daily deficit of about 1500-2000 day since my goal will be mainly to trim and tone/harden up. My protein intake will be around 260 grams per day with the remainder being low calorie veggies and good fats to help me feel full. Water intake will be around 2-3 litre.
I’ve done it before and was very pleased with the results. Body fat went fairly low for me. I was just using a home body fat scale so not sure how accurate but was saying I dropped to about 10%-11% and a times was under 10% but seemed rare and not sustained for me.
Now looking to add Cardarine/GW to help with the fat burning, also just started taking Berberine, 750mg 2x day. Have also been considering upping my test but not all that much. I’m worried about prostate and liver. With that being said looking to add Tudca when starting GW. Want to do things very cautiously so any help and advice here would be appreciated. Also note that I’m a cancer survivor, 20 yrs ago, so I want to be extra cautious.
Hope that covers everything. Since this is my first time posting or even logging please feel free to tell me if anything needs to be added or changed.
Thanks in advance.

@Gio777 1 mile run is very impressive. You don't see too many people able to do that. Especially a guy like you who's a big guy over 200 lbs

 

[2Thick]

Hi all.
59yr male. First time posting. Looking to start an 8 week cycle. Have been doing low dose Dr prescribed trt for about 5 years. Dose is 1 ml test cypionate per week. Noticeable difference for me with it. Fairly active and athletic all my life until past 10 months due to injury, separated shoulder, and just life. My workouts vary but usually involve a 1 mile run for a warm up followed by weights about 4 days/week with some HIIT training as well as playing squash 1 or 2 times a week which gives me a great calorie burn in about an hr-close to 1000, plus it’s fun. Enjoy tabata workouts doing usually 6-7 rounds which incorporates weights and body weight exercises, burpees, push-ups etc.
6’ tall. 207lb - about 15 lbs heavier than normal for me. My goal is to get back to around 190.
Diet will be restricted to a daily deficit of about 1500-2000 day since my goal will be mainly to trim and tone/harden up. My protein intake will be around 260 grams per day with the remainder being low calorie veggies and good fats to help me feel full. Water intake will be around 2-3 litre.
I’ve done it before and was very pleased with the results. Body fat went fairly low for me. I was just using a home body fat scale so not sure how accurate but was saying I dropped to about 10%-11% and a times was under 10% but seemed rare and not sustained for me.
Now looking to add Cardarine/GW to help with the fat burning, also just started taking Berberine, 750mg 2x day. Have also been considering upping my test but not all that much. I’m worried about prostate and liver. With that being said looking to add Tudca when starting GW. Want to do things very cautiously so any help and advice here would be appreciated. Also note that I’m a cancer survivor, 20 yrs ago, so I want to be extra cautious.
Hope that covers everything. Since this is my first time posting or even logging please feel free to tell me if anything needs to be added or changed.
Thanks in advance.

@Gio777 did they say if you were more prone to get cancer come back again? Or is it one of those situations where I got treated and it's permanently gone?

 

[Gio777]

@Gio777 1 mile run is very impressive. You don't see too many people able to do that. Especially a guy like you who's a big guy over 200 lbs

Thanks. I'm not breaking any records and for sure it ain't pretty, lol, but I still do it. I find it was really helpful for me to drop my body fat%.

 

[Gio777]

@Gio777 did they say if you were more prone to get cancer come back again? Or is it one of those situations where I got treated and it's permanently gone?

Well it's been 20 yrs now and it should be gone for good, knock on wood. Cancer has run rampant in my family in the last 5 yrs. My wife twice annd she is battling it now and I have 3 brothers and they all got it as well. Crazy. Brothers are all doing ok and now in remission.
If I can give everyone here a word of advice. I know everyone always thinks it won't happen to me but unfortunately it sometimes does. And I hope it never does for you or your loved ones. But my word of advice is to get catastrophic or critical illness insurance. It's expensive but well worth it if you ever get diagnosed. It's a one time payout to you right away upon diagnosis. I didn't have it when I got sick and I couldn't work for 18 months. Ate all my savings up very quickly. Makes a difficult time much less stressful and manageable.

 

[BigPapaPumpCA]

Thanks. I'm not breaking any records and for sure it ain't pretty, lol, but I still do it. I find it was really helpful for me to drop my body fat%.

16% still waiting for your pics bro can you post pics of you face blurred asap @Gio777

 

[Gio777]

@Gio777 to use the proper sarms stack cardarine is best with your testosterone, whats your test dose now?

Canadian suppliers? did you check our Canadian sub on EVO?

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/canada-approved-sources.254/

On tudca, dont get tudca alone, get n2guard for organ liver support, its a supplement for cycle support

N2Guard

n2guard.com

N2GUARD™ - Needtobuildmuscle.com - N2BM USA

N2GUARD IS BACK IN STOCK! The MOTHER LOAD of all Daily supplements! You've seen them out there - the so called "all-in-one" daily products that claim to be all you need for your Bodybuilding lifestyle, pixie dust products filled with a pinch of everything that amount to a whole lot of nothing...

www.needtobuildmuscle.com

Thanks for info on Cdn suppliers and n2guard. Just got in. Been long day. Hopefully will get pics up tomorrow.